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PostSubject: Beating a loki as oranos   Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:57 am

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Oranos
Team 2
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Loki


Game Version: AoT 1.03

Game Type:Supremacy
Map: Watering hole

Winner:
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I believe i did rather well, taking it to lategame with quite some laming brought me the win. Once i had most upgrades he had no chance because I'm a high level dm player lol.
Looking forward to comments. Do people still have trouble against loki around here with ora? Is it just my luck with the map?
GG to watch.


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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:26 am

idk if u mean luck of the map by u getting good tc placement or something, but typically high hunt loki vs oranos is death for ora
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Sun Feb 05, 2012 12:00 pm

Loki(or any Norse god, for the matter) is too good for Oranos(or any Att god), unless your Loki opponent is not a good player :/
If you still think Oranos is very good, let's see how my mediocre Loki does against your uber/nooby Oranos..
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:37 pm

regin, atty > thor/odin and loki low hunt.
loki > atty high hunt

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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:13 am

AoL_Iron_maiden wrote:
regin, atty > thor/odin and loki low hunt.
loki > atty high hunt

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so odin thor>atty on high hunt?
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:07 am

thor and odin gatherers have the same food gathering rates. Thor will be better choice because of better armory and FW.
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:37 am

the reason why loki is better is because of myth units. atty can't deal with mass mu well or cost effective. so mass hersir summoning mu's and gaining favor which will lead to like 4+ bb's @ heroic = op vs atty. the high hunt means that the loki can afford plenty of hersir and also get heroic at a good time.

btw, by default odin's gatherers hunt faster, its one of odin's bonus'. when thor upgrades pigsticker, his vills are pretty close to odin's. i dont know exact numbers but it seems 6 odin vills ~ 7 thor vills with pigsticker.

(to clarify my post, i meant that atty > thor/odin on most all maps, as well as when the loki doesn't have much hunt.)
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:12 pm

Atty is very good in EARLY game, but Norse is also equally good.
& It is really hard to defeat Norse in late-game. Norse has the perfect unit counters, & even though Oranos also has correct unit counters, the Norse player would still win(usually) since he can RAID + Micro well with CAVALRY(against your archers/cheiro-ballista), & the Norse player(Thor/Loki) will most probably go for FLAMING WEAPONs + Battle BoArs, which is very hard to beat.
If the Atty player manages to restrict the Norse player in Classic itself, then the favor will be for the Atty player.
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:40 pm

nope. Odin and thor gatherers have same hunt gathering rate with pigstickers. With pig stickers, thor dwarves have higher hunt gathering rate than odin dwarves. The only difference is odin gets it from the start while you have to upgrade it when thor.
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Mon Feb 06, 2012 9:44 pm

vegito can u link me to somewhere with the actual stats? I know ive seen the actual stats (maybe on fropco?) but i cant remember where they were since it was a long time ago :S.



and ya the norse definitely have a chance to win if they can survive to heroic. But i would not say that norse will win in mid->lategame. oranos is hella strong and pretty imba vs norse.
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:47 am

AoL_Iron_maiden wrote:
vegito can u link me to somewhere with the actual stats? I know ive seen the actual stats (maybe on fropco?) but i cant remember where they were since it was a long time ago :S.



and ya the norse definitely have a chance to win if they can survive to heroic. But i would not say that norse will win in mid->lategame. oranos is hella strong and pretty imba vs norse.

odin and thor have same hunt rate with all the hunt upgrades and stuff, odin gets 10% bonus right off the start and with hunting dog is total of 20%, with thor high hunt(10% hunt gather rate) and pig sticker(another 10%) which makes it 20% in total which is same as odin and like vegito said thor dwarves have a 25% bonus food gather rate so the thor dwarve gets a astounding 45% hunt gather rate while odin gets only 20% which really makes those thor dwarves very useful.
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:55 am

the dwarves begin with a lower default gather rate, though. so it's better to use villagers anyways.

also i cant remember but it seemed like pigsticker only gave 8% or something like that. minimal difference but difference nonetheless. i dunno i can't remember 100%.
honestly this is really beside the point of the topic norse vs atty
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:49 am

AoL_Iron_maiden wrote:
the dwarves begin with a lower default gather rate, though. so it's better to use villagers anyways.

also i cant remember but it seemed like pigsticker only gave 8% or something like that. minimal difference but difference nonetheless. i dunno i can't remember 100%.
honestly this is really beside the point of the topic norse vs atty

probably in aom yea but in aot its 10% but yea we are getting out of topic 11
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:04 am

so i have a way to make atty completely obsolete Very Happy
wanna hear it?
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:31 pm

AoL_Iron_maiden wrote:
so i have a way to make atty completely obsolete Very Happy
wanna hear it?

hear ye hear ye
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:35 pm

PLAY AOM! NOT AOT!



affraid shocking, right? xD
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:01 pm

Play minesweeper

Faaar better.
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:40 pm

AoL_Iron_maiden wrote:
the dwarves begin with a lower default gather rate, though. so it's better to use villagers anyways.

also i cant remember but it seemed like pigsticker only gave 8% or something like that. minimal difference but difference nonetheless. i dunno i can't remember 100%.
honestly this is really beside the point of the topic norse vs atty
pigstick gives +20% hunt gather rate
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:50 pm

u sure? does anyone know where to find that link of all the villy gather stats?
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:21 am

PitLord wrote:

pigstick gives +20% hunt gather rate

1111 hell to the mother Removed NO

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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:43 am

AoL_Iron_maiden wrote:
u sure? does anyone know where to find that link of all the villy gather stats?

Sure. Google
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:46 pm

PitLord wrote:
AoL_Iron_maiden wrote:
the dwarves begin with a lower default gather rate, though. so it's better to use villagers anyways.

also i cant remember but it seemed like pigsticker only gave 8% or something like that. minimal difference but difference nonetheless. i dunno i can't remember 100%.
honestly this is really beside the point of the topic norse vs atty
pigstick gives +20% hunt gather rate

Pigsticker gives +10% hunt gather rate........
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:27 pm

my ui says this:
pig sticker:
+20% Villager Hunted-Animal Gather Rate
+400% Villager Pierce Attack
Build Time:40sec

i'm not sure about this one:
http://aom.heavengames.com/gameinfo/tables/techs/norse
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:12 pm

PitLord wrote:
my ui says this:
pig sticker:
+20% Villager Hunted-Animal Gather Rate
+400% Villager Pierce Attack
Build Time:40sec

i'm not sure about this one:
http://aom.heavengames.com/gameinfo/tables/techs/norse

probably a miscalculation from those aom heaven guys and what version of the game do u have? the gold edition?
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PostSubject: Re: Beating a loki as oranos   Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:16 am

this is what the link said that you provided, pitlord:

"Villagers +5 attack vs animals, gather from hunting 10% faster"

lol
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