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PostSubject: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:55 am

ZEUS VS ZEUS ON ANATOLIA 1V1 WATCH AND TELL ME HOW TH FUCK DO I BEAT THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT'

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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:53 am

loling while dl'ing
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:24 pm

you had very unbalanced resources.. next time take a town center earlier and use all your resources asap dont waste time..play more efficient
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:22 pm

[TwlsTeD]PitLord wrote:
you had very unbalanced resources.. next time take a town center earlier and use all your resources asap dont waste time..play more efficient

thanks bro appreciate it
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:21 pm

needless to say that ure zeus and not 1 single hoplite pumped = total ownage... he went hops cuz of the obvious overcome of food due to lack of sea warfare imo
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:03 am

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needless to say that ure zeus and not 1 single hoplite pumped = total ownage... he went hops cuz of the obvious overcome of food due to lack of sea warfare imo

i was told by players better then you and i to go hipps+tox vs greeks and not tox+hops so....
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:07 am

AoL_Iron_maiden wrote:
loling while dl'ing

lol looking forward to ur review noob
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:11 pm

On this map I'd definitely make hops, you can make 1 forward barracks, make a few hops and take docks out extremely fast.
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:15 pm

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On this map I'd definitely make hops, you can make 1 forward barracks, make a few hops and take docks out extremely fast.

hm okk i guess since everyone's telling me to make hops i will, thanks guys the the help ^^
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:59 pm

mmmm.... when battling, greek wars are pretty micro dependent. It seems a lot of players prefer hip/tox micro rather than hop/tox... but it all depends on what you are more competent/comfortable and skilled with.

yes your eco wasn't very balanced, yes you could have taken a tc earlier, but imo thats not really what lost you the game.
What lost you the game, is you doing nothing. You let him get an insane eco in early classic by garrisoning your ships instead of going to attack him and mess with his food income. (ships doing nothing). He had easily twice the fish eco that you did, maybe even 3x the fish eco you did, so of course he can afford mass super strong hoplites to go and wreak destructive havoc. So even if you had more pop and a more balanced eco, he can afford to keep booming AND keep destroying til eventually, it's too much for your inferior eco to handle.
You were kind of doing decent when you were kind of attacking him a little bit on land (before he sent the 30 hops to ur base) but you have to DO something. he was able to afford to send his whole army to your base because you weren't threatening him at all. By meandering around the middle with some army, you half ass secure gold that isn't needed yet (since theres 2 mines in base) so that was pointless. You gotta ATTACK. Dictate the game. You were playing too reactive -> ships in dock + defensive tox. He was the aggressor, he was the instigator, and he was the victor
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:06 am

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mmmm.... when battling, greek wars are pretty micro dependent. It seems a lot of players prefer hip/tox micro rather than hop/tox... but it all depends on what you are more competent/comfortable and skilled with.

yes your eco wasn't very balanced, yes you could have taken a tc earlier, but imo thats not really what lost you the game.
What lost you the game, is you doing nothing. You let him get an insane eco in early classic by garrisoning your ships instead of going to attack him and mess with his food income. (ships doing nothing). He had easily twice the fish eco that you did, maybe even 3x the fish eco you did, so of course he can afford mass super strong hoplites to go and wreak destructive havoc. So even if you had more pop and a more balanced eco, he can afford to keep booming AND keep destroying til eventually, it's too much for your inferior eco to handle.
You were kind of doing decent when you were kind of attacking him a little bit on land (before he sent the 30 hops to ur base) but you have to DO something. he was able to afford to send his whole army to your base because you weren't threatening him at all. By meandering around the middle with some army, you half ass secure gold that isn't needed yet (since theres 2 mines in base) so that was pointless. You gotta ATTACK. Dictate the game. You were playing too reactive -> ships in dock + defensive tox. He was the aggressor, he was the instigator, and he was the victor

truth but how do i avoid his hoplite attacks, as soon as he seens my army in his base or near it he autopmatically goes str8 to my base, do i lame in my base? this strat is so lame i swear....
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:55 am

well my point that you're missing is that you dont fight the attacks, you stop him from being able to do that in the first place.

ya you can lame archers and towers and yay, thats great.... but as i said before you are REACTING to what he is doing instead of dictating the game, commanding the game.
If you are fucking with his food eco he wont be able to afford all of those hoplites. If you are attacking him, and i mean really ATTACKING him, its basically who has bigger cajones -> who caves first and retreats their army to their base.
He could afford all of those hops because of his mass food income, he could afford sending his whole military population at your base because your army wasn't doing jack shit to him.
so you nip it in the butt before it becomes a problem, not solving the problem as it is happening
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:12 pm

AoL_Iron_maiden wrote:
well my point that you're missing is that you dont fight the attacks, you stop him from being able to do that in the first place.

ya you can lame archers and towers and yay, thats great.... but as i said before you are REACTING to what he is doing instead of dictating the game, commanding the game.
If you are fucking with his food eco he wont be able to afford all of those hoplites. If you are attacking him, and i mean really ATTACKING him, its basically who has bigger cajones -> who caves first and retreats their army to their base.
He could afford all of those hops because of his mass food income, he could afford sending his whole military population at your base because your army wasn't doing jack shit to him.
so you nip it in the butt before it becomes a problem, not solving the problem as it is happening

how do i command the game when he has more commanding power then me? he can threaten me more with hops then i can threaten him with my tox and hipps

if we both attack each other villls it really doesnt come down to cajones because by the time i get the tc down(thats if i can even get it down) he would have my whole base demolished due to his siege bonus
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:28 am

lol death man you still dont get my point.

ill give you an example. its the same principle, just different units/gods.
here it is: what is the best way zeus can beat ragnarok? by winning the game before it gets to the point of ragnarok.
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:06 am

AoL_Iron_maiden wrote:
lol death man you still dont get my point.

ill give you an example. its the same principle, just different units/gods.
here it is: what is the best way zeus can beat ragnarok? by winning the game before it gets to the point of ragnarok.

so ur asking me to pin him in? cuz thats the only way he will not be able to go around with hops and even if i attack his fish he will still get hoplites out its just a matter of sending some wood vills on sheeps/hunt.
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:33 am

almost. I should have said 'end' instead of 'win' in my example. End the game BEFORE the problem arises.

so you are looking to stop the problem of mass hoplites BEFORE it becomes a problem. By not allowing him to do it.
You want him to react to what you are doing instead of you reacting to him.
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:43 am

AoL_Iron_maiden wrote:
almost. I should have said 'end' instead of 'win' in my example. End the game BEFORE the problem arises.

so you are looking to stop the problem of mass hoplites BEFORE it becomes a problem. By not allowing him to do it.
You want him to react to what you are doing instead of you reacting to him.

if u got attack by sieges in 1 base and on the other base u got attack by normal soldiers which is more of a threat? what if this guys says hey he got tox and hipps and i got hops he cant do as much damage to me as i will do to him, because if i was in that position where i can totally destroy opponents base while he does not much to mines then i will be on the offense lol
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:09 pm

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Andrw_13 wrote:
needless to say that ure zeus and not 1 single hoplite pumped = total ownage... he went hops cuz of the obvious overcome of food due to lack of sea warfare imo

i was told by players better then you and i to go hipps+tox vs greeks and not tox+hops so....

not on this map man and not with all that food income that u let to live man u advanced first u shoudve gone water + all these minos all over his docks from boths sides (u only made 1 dock on each side man lol) if u see hops cumin (with the scout) u stop pumpin ships or whatsoever and go 3 archery range AQ.= total ownin u had the advantage on the water for early advance and yet u didnt use it // btw theres a bo from magyar with 25 pop adv u should check it out// hero + mino = total ownage
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PostSubject: Re: HOW THE FCUK DO I BEAT HIS SHIT MAN   Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:18 am

i dont think u get it, death lol
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